Majjhima Nikāya 59 Bahuvedanīyasutta Evaṁ me sutaṁ— ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.

The Discourse on Various Kinds of Feeling

Thus have I heard: On one occasion, the Blessed One was living at Sāvatthī in Jetas Grove, Anāthapiṇḍikas Park.

Atha kho pañcakaṅgo thapati yenāyasmā udāyī tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi.

Then the householder Pañcakaṅga approached the Venerable Udāyī; having approached, he paid homage to the Venerable Udāyī and sat down to one side.

Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho pañcakaṅgo thapati āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ etadavoca: “kati nu kho, bhante udāyi, vedanā vuttā bhagavatā”ti? “Tisso kho, thapati, vedanā vuttā bhagavatā.

While sitting to one side, the householder Pañcakaṅga said to the Venerable Udāyī:

Venerable Udāyī, how many kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One?

Sukhā vedanā, dukkhā vedanā, adukkhamasukhā vedanā— imā kho, thapati, tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā”ti.

Householder, three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One:

Evaṁ vutte, pañcakaṅgo thapati āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ etadavoca: “na kho, bhante udāyi, tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā; dve vedanā vuttā bhagavatā— sukhā vedanā, dukkhā vedanā.

pleasant feeling, painful feeling, and neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling:

these three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One.

Yāyaṁ, bhante, adukkhamasukhā vedanā santasmiṁ esā paṇīte sukhe vuttā bhagavatā”ti.

When this was said, the householder Pañcakaṅga said to the Venerable Udāyī:

Dutiyampi kho āyasmā udāyī pañcakaṅgaṁ thapatiṁ etadavoca: “na kho, gahapati, dve vedanā vuttā bhagavatā; tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā.

Venerable Udāyī, it is not three kinds of feeling that have been spoken of by the Blessed One; two kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One:

Sukhā vedanā, dukkhā vedanā, adukkhamasukhā vedanā— imā kho, thapati, tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā”ti. Dutiyampi kho pañcakaṅgo thapati āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ etadavoca: “na kho, bhante udāyi, tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā; dve vedanā vuttā bhagavatā— sukhā vedanā, dukkhā vedanā. Yāyaṁ, bhante, adukkhamasukhā vedanā santasmiṁ esā paṇīte sukhe vuttā bhagavatā”ti. Tatiyampi kho āyasmā udāyī pañcakaṅgaṁ thapatiṁ etadavoca: “na kho, thapati, dve vedanā vuttā bhagavatā; tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā.

pleasant feeling and painful feeling.

As for the feeling that is neither-painful-nor-pleasant, the Blessed One has spoken of it as a subtle form of pleasant feeling.

For a second time, the Venerable Udāyī said to the householder Pañcakaṅga:

Householder, it is not two kinds of feeling that have been spoken of by the Blessed One; three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One: pleasant feeling, painful feeling, and neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling: these three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One.

Sukhā vedanā, dukkhā vedanā, adukkhamasukhā vedanā— imā kho, thapati, tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā”ti.

For a second time, the householder Pañcakaṅga said to the Venerable Udāyī:

Tatiyampi kho pañcakaṅgo thapati āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ etadavoca: “na kho, bhante udāyi, tisso vedanā vuttā bhagavatā, dve vedanā vuttā bhagavatā— sukhā vedanā, dukkhā vedanā.

Venerable Udāyī, it is not three kinds of feeling that have been spoken of by the Blessed One; two kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One:

Yāyaṁ, bhante, adukkhamasukhā vedanā santasmiṁ esā paṇīte sukhe vuttā bhagavatā”ti. Neva kho sakkhi āyasmā udāyī pañcakaṅgaṁ thapatiṁ saññāpetuṁ, na panāsakkhi pañcakaṅgo thapati āyasmantaṁ udāyiṁ saññāpetuṁ.

pleasant feeling and painful feeling.

As for the feeling that is neither-painful-nor-pleasant, the Blessed One has spoken of it as a subtle form of pleasant feeling.

For a third time, the Venerable Udāyī said to the householder Pañcakaṅga:

Assosi kho āyasmā ānando āyasmato udāyissa pañcakaṅgena thapatinā saddhiṁ imaṁ kathāsallāpaṁ. Atha kho āyasmā ānando yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho āyasmā ānando yāvatako ahosi āyasmato udāyissa pañcakaṅgena thapatinā saddhiṁ kathāsallāpo taṁ sabbaṁ bhagavato ārocesi.

Householder, it is not two kinds of feeling that have been spoken of by the Blessed One; three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One: pleasant feeling, painful feeling, and neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling: these three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One.

For a third time, the householder Pañcakaṅga said to the Venerable Udāyī:

Evaṁ vutte, bhagavā āyasmantaṁ ānandaṁ etadavoca: “santaññeva kho, ānanda, pariyāyaṁ pañcakaṅgo thapati udāyissa nābbhanumodi, santaññeva ca pana pariyāyaṁ udāyī pañcakaṅgassa thapatissa nābbhanumodi.

Venerable Udāyī, it is not three kinds of feeling that have been spoken of by the Blessed One; two kinds of feeling have been spoken of by the Blessed One:

pleasant feeling and painful feeling.

Dvepānanda, vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena, tissopi vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena, pañcapi vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena, chapi vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena, aṭṭhārasapi vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena, chattiṁsapi vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena, aṭṭhasatampi vedanā vuttā mayā pariyāyena. Evaṁ pariyāyadesito kho, ānanda, mayā dhammo.

As for the feeling that is neither-painful-nor-pleasant, the Blessed One has spoken of it as a subtle form of pleasant feeling.

The Venerable Udāyī could not convince the householder Pañcakaṅga, nor could the householder Pañcakaṅga convince the Venerable Udāyī.


The Venerable Ānanda heard this conversation between the Venerable Udāyī and the householder Pañcakaṅga.

Evaṁ pariyāyadesite kho, ānanda, mayā dhamme ye aññamaññassa subhāsitaṁ sulapitaṁ na samanujānissanti na samanumaññissanti na samanumodissanti tesametaṁ pāṭikaṅkhaṁ—bhaṇḍanajātā kalahajātā vivādāpannā aññamaññaṁ mukhasattīhi vitudantā viharissanti.

Then the Venerable Ānanda approached the Blessed One; having approached, he paid homage to the Blessed One and sat down to one side.

While sitting to one side, the Venerable Ānanda reported to the Blessed One the entire conversation between the Venerable Udāyī and the householder Pañcakaṅga.

Evaṁ pariyāyadesito kho, ānanda, mayā dhammo.

When this was said, the Blessed One said to the Venerable Ānanda:

Ānanda, the householder Pañcakaṅga did not approve of the Venerable Udāyīs explanation, nor did the Venerable Udāyī approve of the householder Pañcakaṅgas explanation.

Evaṁ pariyāyadesite kho, ānanda, mayā dhamme ye aññamaññassa subhāsitaṁ sulapitaṁ samanujānissanti samanumaññissanti samanumodissanti tesametaṁ pāṭikaṅkhaṁ—samaggā sammodamānā avivadamānā khīrodakībhūtā aññamaññaṁ piyacakkhūhi sampassantā viharissanti. Pañca kho ime, ānanda, kāmaguṇā. Katame pañca? Cakkhuviññeyyā rūpā iṭṭhā kantā manāpā piyarūpā kāmūpasaṁhitā rajanīyā, sotaviññeyyā saddā …pe…

Ānanda, two kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in one way, three kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in another way, five kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in another way, six kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in another way, eighteen kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in another way, thirty-six kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in another way, and one hundred and eight kinds of feeling have been spoken of by me in another way.

ghānaviññeyyā gandhā …pe… jivhāviññeyyā rasā …pe…

Ānanda, the Dhamma has been taught by me in such a way.

kāyaviññeyyā phoṭṭhabbā iṭṭhā kantā manāpā piyarūpā kāmūpasaṁhitā rajanīyā— ime kho, ānanda, pañca kāmaguṇā. Yaṁ kho, ānanda, ime pañca kāmaguṇe paṭicca uppajjati sukhaṁ somanassaṁ idaṁ vuccati kāmasukhaṁ. Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya: ‘etaparamaṁ sattā sukhaṁ somanassaṁ paṭisaṁvedentī’ti, idamassa nānujānāmi. Taṁ kissa hetu?

Ānanda, when the Dhamma has been taught by me in such a way, those who do not approve of each others well-spoken words, who do not agree with each other, who do not rejoice in each others well-spoken words, it can be expected that they will live in conflict, in dispute, in quarrels, attacking each other with verbal daggers.

Atthānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

Ānanda, the Dhamma has been taught by me in such a way.

Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca? Idhānanda, bhikkhu vivicceva kāmehi vivicca akusalehi dhammehi …pe… paṭhamaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati. Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca. Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya: ‘etaparamaṁ sattā sukhaṁ somanassaṁ paṭisaṁvedentī’ti, idamassa nānujānāmi.

Ānanda, when the Dhamma has been taught by me in such a way, those who approve of each others well-spoken words, who agree with each other, who rejoice in each others well-spoken words, it can be expected that they will live in harmony, in mutual appreciation, without dispute, like milk and water mixed together, looking at each other with kindly eyes.

Taṁ kissa hetu?

Atthānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

Ānanda, there are these five kinds of sensual pleasures.

Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca? Idhānanda, bhikkhu vitakkavicārānaṁ vūpasamā …pe…

What are the five?

Forms cognizable by the eye that are desirable, lovely, agreeable, pleasing, connected with sense satisfaction, and provocative;

dutiyaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati.

sounds cognizable by the ear...

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

odors cognizable by the nose...

Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya …

tastes cognizable by the tongue...

pe…. Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca? Idhānanda, bhikkhu pītiyā ca virāgā …pe…

tangibles cognizable by the body that are desirable, lovely, agreeable, pleasing, connected with sense satisfaction, and provocative:

tatiyaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati.

these, Ānanda, are the five kinds of sensual pleasures.

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca. Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya … pe….

Ānanda, whatever happiness and joy arise dependent on these five kinds of sensual pleasures, this is called sensual happiness.

Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca? Idhānanda, bhikkhu sukhassa ca pahānā …pe… catutthaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati.

Ānanda, if someone were to say, This is the highest pleasure and joy that beings experience, I would not approve of that.

Why is that?

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

Because, Ānanda, there is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya … pe…. Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca? Idhānanda, bhikkhu sabbaso rūpasaññānaṁ samatikkamā, paṭighasaññānaṁ atthaṅgamā, nānattasaññānaṁ amanasikārā ‘ananto ākāso’ti ākāsānañcāyatanaṁ upasampajja viharati.

And what, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure?

Here, Ānanda, a disciple, with the complete transcending of perceptions of form, the disappearance of perceptions of resistance, and non-attention to perceptions of diversity, enters and dwells in the realm of infinite space.

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

This, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya …

If someone were to say...

pe…. Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca?

And what, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure?

Idhānanda, bhikkhu sabbaso ākāsānañcāyatanaṁ samatikkamma ‘anantaṁ viññāṇan’ti viññāṇañcāyatanaṁ upasampajja viharati.

Here, Ānanda, a disciple, with the complete transcending of the realm of infinite space, enters and dwells in the realm of infinite consciousness.

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

This, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya …

If someone were to say...

pe…. Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca?

And what, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure?

Idhānanda, bhikkhu sabbaso viññāṇañcāyatanaṁ samatikkamma ‘natthi kiñcī’ti ākiñcaññāyatanaṁ upasampajja viharati.

Here, Ānanda, a disciple, with the complete transcending of the realm of infinite consciousness, enters and dwells in the realm of nothingness.

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

This, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya …

If someone were to say...

pe…. Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca?

And what, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure?

Idhānanda, bhikkhu sabbaso ākiñcaññāyatanaṁ samatikkamma nevasaññānāsaññāyatanaṁ upasampajja viharati.

Here, Ānanda, a disciple, with the complete transcending of the realm of nothingness, enters and dwells in the realm of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

This, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Yo kho, ānanda, evaṁ vadeyya: ‘etaparamaṁ sattā sukhaṁ somanassaṁ paṭisaṁvedentī’ti, idamassa nānujānāmi.

If someone were to say, This is the highest pleasure and joy that beings experience, I would not approve of that.

Taṁ kissa hetu?

Why is that?

Atthānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

Because, Ānanda, there is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Katamañcānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca?

And what, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure?

Idhānanda, bhikkhu sabbaso nevasaññānāsaññāyatanaṁ samatikkamma saññāvedayitanirodhaṁ upasampajja viharati.

Here, Ānanda, a disciple, with the complete transcending of the realm of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, enters and dwells in the cessation of perception and feeling.

Idaṁ kho, ānanda, etamhā sukhā aññaṁ sukhaṁ abhikkantatarañca paṇītatarañca.

This, Ānanda, is another pleasure more excellent and refined than that pleasure.

Ṭhānaṁ kho panetaṁ, ānanda, vijjati yaṁ aññatitthiyā paribbājakā evaṁ vadeyyuṁ: ‘saññāvedayitanirodhaṁ samaṇo gotamo āha; tañca sukhasmiṁ paññapeti.

There is, Ānanda, a possibility that wanderers of other sects might say:

The ascetic Gotama speaks of the cessation of perception and feeling, and he describes it as pleasure.

Tayidaṁ kiṁsu, tayidaṁ kathaṁsū’ti?

What is this?

Evaṁvādino, ānanda, aññatitthiyā paribbājakā evamassu vacanīyā: ‘na kho, āvuso, bhagavā sukhaṁyeva vedanaṁ sandhāya sukhasmiṁ paññapeti; api ca, āvuso, yattha yattha sukhaṁ upalabbhati yahiṁ yahiṁ taṁ taṁ tathāgato sukhasmiṁ paññapetī’”ti.

How is this?

Those wanderers of other sects should be answered thus:

Friends, the Blessed One does not describe pleasure based on feeling alone;

but wherever pleasure is found, the Tathāgata describes it as pleasure.

Idamavoca bhagavā.

Thus spoke the Blessed One.

Attamano āyasmā ānando bhagavato bhāsitaṁ abhinandīti.

The Venerable Ānanda was satisfied and delighted in the Blessed Ones words.

Bahuvedanīyasuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ navamaṁ.

The Discourse on Various Feelings is finished.